tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3493611547111927567.post5532413109751340525..comments2016-11-18T10:57:14.636-06:00Comments on Lutheran 101: The Ministry’s Promises: Vows Making and Vows Keeping and the Office of the MinistryRev. Alan J. Wollenburghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06753189129488408333noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3493611547111927567.post-35050157852530060652016-11-18T00:14:00.454-06:002016-11-18T00:14:00.454-06:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3493611547111927567.post-16984579259534851682009-08-27T04:13:55.652-05:002009-08-27T04:13:55.652-05:00"He'd make a good professor..."
Tha..."He'd make a good professor..."<br /><br />That comment usually made by a congregation member who has never been to college.<br /><br />---<br /><br />I can remember when I was a kid when my Lutheran Great-Grandmother yelled out loud at one of her daughters-in-law who filed for divorce "You can't get divorced ... you won't be able to take Holy Communion!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3493611547111927567.post-61031942705832832372009-08-27T04:03:11.464-05:002009-08-27T04:03:11.464-05:00Those two terms (adultery and abandonment) might m...Those two terms (adultery and abandonment) might mirror the two reasons for removal from congregation membership that I read in our church minutes from 50 or so years ago.<br /><br />Defection (now called Peaceful Release) = Adultery?<br /><br />Despising the Word & Sacrament (now called Self Exclusion ... I assume) = Abandonment?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3493611547111927567.post-9172054376308719012009-08-23T13:34:06.308-05:002009-08-23T13:34:06.308-05:00yes, Pr. Mann, you point out yet another facet of ...yes, Pr. Mann, you point out yet another facet of this multi-faceted mess -- even as "commitment" is being totally misunderstood and even re-defined by our postmodern (and post-denominational?) culture, this carries over into the church work vocations. I share your frustration over how calls are being handled these days. While there is a case to be made for a non-tenured "call" (but a much more accurat word would be "contract" b/c that is precisely what it is), one could almost make the case for comparing it to a 'shack up' -- no real promises, no real commitments, no real assurance that, if troubles come, you'll try to work it out . . . If we in the church cannot understand the proper biblical concept of promise, commitment, etc., well, who can, huh??! Kyrie eleison! Best to you and yours, bro!Rev. Alan J. Wollenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06753189129488408333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3493611547111927567.post-751634711653239412009-08-21T20:32:21.928-05:002009-08-21T20:32:21.928-05:00Al- there is also another trend- living together. ...Al- there is also another trend- living together. In the pastoral ministry, the congregation contracts a pastor or have a limit tenture call for him. This way both parties can both go or seperate ways. It is almost like a year long try out. This is happening in the teaching ministry. Brian receive a call, both it call for a contract the first year, to see if you will work out. This is aganist all biblical ways. But the church-district-synod is encouraging churches and schools to this trial marriage.Robert Mannnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3493611547111927567.post-7378696776281503042009-08-20T19:39:00.237-05:002009-08-20T19:39:00.237-05:00Well, God bless you, Rex! Yes, we are sinners. We ...Well, God bless you, Rex! Yes, we are sinners. We mess up every so often. We need forgiveness. It's just the way that marriage is supposed to work: we forgive, try to learn to be understanding, and live in our respective vocations as the Lord has called us to live. Thanks for your love for Christ which gives you love for your pastor. And, yeah, the Treasury of Daily Prayer is great . . . I am still trying to develop the discipline of using it every single day b/c it is truly a treasure!Rev. Alan J. Wollenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06753189129488408333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3493611547111927567.post-90245711572815144342009-08-20T17:15:45.980-05:002009-08-20T17:15:45.980-05:00Pastor W.
Thank you for this post. I just discov...Pastor W.<br /><br />Thank you for this post. I just discovered your blog from another that I have been reading.<br /><br />This post is very timely as I have been struggling over the person who currently shepherds my congregation. Of the several "reasons" you list...I could identify with four! Yet, he is the called shepherd to our church. <br /><br />From reading this post, and the time I have been spending with my new Treasury of Daily Prayer, I am more than ever willing to pray for my pastor, forgive what I think are shortcomings, and ask that God's will be done in our church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com